sdeshpan
08-06 10:21 AM
Guys,
This bill will not affect any of the US High tech companies nor high-skilled immigration (it has nothing to do with EB immigration).
Even big companies like Microsoft and Intel would not be affected by this bill (it is not as restrictive as the previous rule that firms that receive TARP funds could not hire H1Bs).
No need to fear that this would be the start of something bad that we have to fight this to prevent future anti-immigration bills. No such implication.
Although this bill borderlines indirect protectionism and interferes in the free-market principles, it is promoted to prevent fraud and may be to decelerate outsourcing by mostly Indian companies, given the current rate of unemployment at 9.5% and the increasing threat of widespread deflation.
To be clear, I am not in support of this bill, but it would be a sheer waste IV's resources to fight this bill. If some guys can attach these kind of bills to other legislation, may be IV should focus on passing the visa recapture and may be increasing the per-country limit from ~7% to 20% (eliminating per-country limit being the most-desirable).
Instead of fighting this bill, the least that IV could do is to focus its resources to eliminate the freaking diversity lottery program and allocate the 50K green card visa to the EB program. In this 21st century, there is no more need for diversity (which is line with the spirit of the past US Supreme Court rulings), everything is already globalized and flattened. Everything should be based on pure merit -- which is the American dream anyway.
Sri.
Well said...I totally agree! IV resources will be so much well spent in trying to move forward the agenda for EB categories and visa recapture.
This bill will not affect any of the US High tech companies nor high-skilled immigration (it has nothing to do with EB immigration).
Even big companies like Microsoft and Intel would not be affected by this bill (it is not as restrictive as the previous rule that firms that receive TARP funds could not hire H1Bs).
No need to fear that this would be the start of something bad that we have to fight this to prevent future anti-immigration bills. No such implication.
Although this bill borderlines indirect protectionism and interferes in the free-market principles, it is promoted to prevent fraud and may be to decelerate outsourcing by mostly Indian companies, given the current rate of unemployment at 9.5% and the increasing threat of widespread deflation.
To be clear, I am not in support of this bill, but it would be a sheer waste IV's resources to fight this bill. If some guys can attach these kind of bills to other legislation, may be IV should focus on passing the visa recapture and may be increasing the per-country limit from ~7% to 20% (eliminating per-country limit being the most-desirable).
Instead of fighting this bill, the least that IV could do is to focus its resources to eliminate the freaking diversity lottery program and allocate the 50K green card visa to the EB program. In this 21st century, there is no more need for diversity (which is line with the spirit of the past US Supreme Court rulings), everything is already globalized and flattened. Everything should be based on pure merit -- which is the American dream anyway.
Sri.
Well said...I totally agree! IV resources will be so much well spent in trying to move forward the agenda for EB categories and visa recapture.
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sajimm
08-05 01:12 PM
I totally agree with this. The best possible way is allowing H1B to move free between companies and also allowing to file GC themselves rather than tying with a company.
One thing some might be missing is, that there are lot of people in EB3 that are stuck who cannot even apply for I485 in H1. Some companies may even be forced to lay them off because of this limit. I agree with Pappu.
I see a Fundamental Flaw in this. Here is the roughcut of my thoughts...
How can you say that company having more than 50% H1Bs is doing fraud. How about companies having 45%.
What if company has $9/hour or any minimum wage employee 50% and cut the pay for the rest of 50% H1B's.
By restricting the companies to do H1Bs you are taking away the freedom from H1B candidates to change jobs. This in turn will make the candidate bound to the company which gives good scope for armtwisting directly impacting the salaries and taxes. By keeping the fee low you give freedom to H1B's let them compete in the open market. Let the companies pay competitive salaries to the candidates. This will help the citizens because they are all on the same salary levels and will avoid unfair competition.
By taking away the freedom of legal immigrants and companies which hire them you are scaring them and making them spend less. This will have direct impact on consumer spending and thus the economy.
Please be reminded job creation is not static is is elastic. The more you encourage companies to hire, the more they pay, more taxes can be collected and more spending will happen.
One thing some might be missing is, that there are lot of people in EB3 that are stuck who cannot even apply for I485 in H1. Some companies may even be forced to lay them off because of this limit. I agree with Pappu.
I see a Fundamental Flaw in this. Here is the roughcut of my thoughts...
How can you say that company having more than 50% H1Bs is doing fraud. How about companies having 45%.
What if company has $9/hour or any minimum wage employee 50% and cut the pay for the rest of 50% H1B's.
By restricting the companies to do H1Bs you are taking away the freedom from H1B candidates to change jobs. This in turn will make the candidate bound to the company which gives good scope for armtwisting directly impacting the salaries and taxes. By keeping the fee low you give freedom to H1B's let them compete in the open market. Let the companies pay competitive salaries to the candidates. This will help the citizens because they are all on the same salary levels and will avoid unfair competition.
By taking away the freedom of legal immigrants and companies which hire them you are scaring them and making them spend less. This will have direct impact on consumer spending and thus the economy.
Please be reminded job creation is not static is is elastic. The more you encourage companies to hire, the more they pay, more taxes can be collected and more spending will happen.
VJDJ
07-02 03:54 PM
Example 2 on Page 10 is the one that most of us who have not renewed their H1 or other non-immigrant visa should be worried about. It clearly says that any non-immigrant who has not renewed his/her non-immigrant visa even though the AoS application was filed prior to expiry of the non-immigrant visa is subject to deportation. This I think is a serious cause of concern.
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alahiri
09-07 12:49 AM
As I have mentioned before we need to be creative. Lobbying for a law or whatever that gives GC to H1B holders who are on H1B for more than 7 years is the easiest way out because this will not cause much grief - as these people are allready in USA and allready working and paying taxes for 7+ years and giving them GC will not increase the labour pool (which is the main concern for anti immigrant lobbies). Also providing GC to these people will unleash a wave of benefits to the local economy as these new GC holders will now confidently invest in the US economy.
We need somebody who is capable of carrying this message to the heart of the congress and the senators.
We need somebody who is capable of carrying this message to the heart of the congress and the senators.
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dixie
01-15 10:55 AM
I think this con no longer holds true for many folks on this forum, since there are many who are approaching 10 years on H1-B itself. SS has no requirement that you have GC/citizenship to reclaim your pension, just that you work 10 years.
CONS:
if you go back, you lose your SS benefit/pension. you need at least 10 work years to avail of it. the SS check would be a great pocket money when you retire and lived in your home country.
this is one of the conspiracy theory that they screw us with immigration so that we can't claim the SS benefit/pension. we are funding their retirement. so, don't let their xenophobic lazy ass enjoy your years of hardwork. fight the fight...at least up to 10 years.
CONS:
if you go back, you lose your SS benefit/pension. you need at least 10 work years to avail of it. the SS check would be a great pocket money when you retire and lived in your home country.
this is one of the conspiracy theory that they screw us with immigration so that we can't claim the SS benefit/pension. we are funding their retirement. so, don't let their xenophobic lazy ass enjoy your years of hardwork. fight the fight...at least up to 10 years.
Munna Bhai
12-09 05:12 PM
friends,
My approved I-140 is getting revoked becaude USCIS is saying they didn't verify ability to pay 2.5 yrs back and asked for more docs.
Neednot to say, I switched employers 2 yrs back and switched to EAD thinking everything should be safe.
This is the second time this year that my I-140 is being revoked. In feb,07 my i-140 and 485 was revoked because USCIS ignored AC21 and never asked me anything about AC21. I filed MTR and got it reopened in May.
In nov this another mess.
My case is at Vermont and it appears either the officer is retaliating or is ignorant.
I know this is unprecedented but i am broked down and fed up of fighting them. It has been a never ending journey for my family.
I have submitted all my the documents and don't know whats going to happen.
Any advice from the community will be helpful as I don't know what to do.
Another thing, i used VP office for clearing namecheck which was done on Nov2 and this I-140 revoked on Nov 8.
I am on my 3rd EAD.
thanks
This is your first post in this forum, which doesn't sound normal.Could you please give more info about your case, pd, country etc.
My approved I-140 is getting revoked becaude USCIS is saying they didn't verify ability to pay 2.5 yrs back and asked for more docs.
Neednot to say, I switched employers 2 yrs back and switched to EAD thinking everything should be safe.
This is the second time this year that my I-140 is being revoked. In feb,07 my i-140 and 485 was revoked because USCIS ignored AC21 and never asked me anything about AC21. I filed MTR and got it reopened in May.
In nov this another mess.
My case is at Vermont and it appears either the officer is retaliating or is ignorant.
I know this is unprecedented but i am broked down and fed up of fighting them. It has been a never ending journey for my family.
I have submitted all my the documents and don't know whats going to happen.
Any advice from the community will be helpful as I don't know what to do.
Another thing, i used VP office for clearing namecheck which was done on Nov2 and this I-140 revoked on Nov 8.
I am on my 3rd EAD.
thanks
This is your first post in this forum, which doesn't sound normal.Could you please give more info about your case, pd, country etc.
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walking_dude
01-25 09:56 AM
There is an IV update on the issue.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16834
We are working on this. Details cannot be provided in the public forum. Interested Michigan members can join the state chapter for faster updates.
Details on joining the chapter is provided in my signature below.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16834
We are working on this. Details cannot be provided in the public forum. Interested Michigan members can join the state chapter for faster updates.
Details on joining the chapter is provided in my signature below.
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indianabacklog
06-20 08:14 AM
any idea how to proceed and how long does it takes.........
There is an 800 number for the IRS which you can get from the website. Try calling and asking questions. Otherwise there may be a link on the irs.gov site which tells you.
There is an 800 number for the IRS which you can get from the website. Try calling and asking questions. Otherwise there may be a link on the irs.gov site which tells you.
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esh06
04-16 12:29 PM
EB3/RIR/IL
PD Dec2003
45 Day letter march 2005
Labor Approved nov 2005
I-140 applied Jan 2006
I140 Approved Feb 2006
Waiting for PD:(
PD Dec2003
45 Day letter march 2005
Labor Approved nov 2005
I-140 applied Jan 2006
I140 Approved Feb 2006
Waiting for PD:(
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genscn
07-26 01:24 PM
USCIS will not return 485 applications:
Read Q:15 on this link: http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/EBFAQ1.pdf
It clearly says that application for interim benefit will be processed prior to final adjudication of adjustment application and some aliens may have to wait significant period of time, perhaps years, before visa become available.
So till USCIS don't have VISA numbers, AOS application will be kept till numbers becomes available and in mean time EAD will be issued.
Read Q:15 on this link: http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/EBFAQ1.pdf
It clearly says that application for interim benefit will be processed prior to final adjudication of adjustment application and some aliens may have to wait significant period of time, perhaps years, before visa become available.
So till USCIS don't have VISA numbers, AOS application will be kept till numbers becomes available and in mean time EAD will be issued.
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gcwhereru
07-04 05:34 PM
I have ordered the flowers to be delivered on July 10th as suggested.
No doubts about whether we need to do this ...
Do people think so much when they step out to have food at the local restaurant ... we easily put $50 down the drain each time we eat out.....
So why not go along with someone who has some decent action plan ...
Just my 2 cents
No doubts about whether we need to do this ...
Do people think so much when they step out to have food at the local restaurant ... we easily put $50 down the drain each time we eat out.....
So why not go along with someone who has some decent action plan ...
Just my 2 cents
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gcdreamer05
11-01 07:23 AM
Thank you Bigboy, shown below are the EAD details for my wife...
Receipt Date:8/04/2010
Notice date: 8/18/2010
Service Center: TSC
Expedite Requested: No
If Yes : What date: NA
Card Production Email (1..n): Date 10/19/2010
Existing EAD Card Expiry : First EAD
Change of address after EAD Application : No
Receipt Date:8/04/2010
Notice date: 8/18/2010
Service Center: TSC
Expedite Requested: No
If Yes : What date: NA
Card Production Email (1..n): Date 10/19/2010
Existing EAD Card Expiry : First EAD
Change of address after EAD Application : No
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paskal
01-30 12:15 AM
ppl. quit boring us. there is nothing to discuss. if yu wanted to go back you would have done so by now!
you must lead such a wonderful life...so cut and dried and no troublesome gray zones...you have our collective admiration.
having said that, people are not posting their thoughts here to entertain you or make your wonderful life even better. if you are bored, please do not read the thread. let the lesser mortals vent in peace....
you must lead such a wonderful life...so cut and dried and no troublesome gray zones...you have our collective admiration.
having said that, people are not posting their thoughts here to entertain you or make your wonderful life even better. if you are bored, please do not read the thread. let the lesser mortals vent in peace....
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gk_2000
08-06 10:27 AM
Guys,
This bill will not affect any of the US High tech companies nor high-skilled immigration (it has nothing to do with EB immigration).
Even big companies like Microsoft and Intel would not be affected by this bill (it is not as restrictive as the previous rule that firms that receive TARP funds could not hire H1Bs).
No need to fear that this would be the start of something bad that we have to fight this to prevent future anti-immigration bills. No such implication.
Although this bill borderlines indirect protectionism and interferes in the free-market principles, it is promoted to prevent fraud and may be to decelerate outsourcing by mostly Indian companies, given the current rate of unemployment at 9.5% and the increasing threat of widespread deflation.
To be clear, I am not in support of this bill, but it would be a sheer waste IV's resources to fight this bill. If some guys can attach these kind of bills to other legislation, may be IV should focus on passing the visa recapture and may be increasing the per-country limit from ~7% to 20% (eliminating per-country limit being the most-desirable).
Instead of fighting this bill, the least that IV could do is to focus its resources to eliminate the freaking diversity lottery program and allocate the 50K green card visa to the EB program. In this 21st century, there is no more need for diversity (which is line with the spirit of the past US Supreme Court rulings), everything is already globalized and flattened. Everything should be based on pure merit -- which is the American dream anyway.
Sri.
Here's what our Schumer said about this bill:
"The bill is funded by imposing higher fees on personnel companies who import foreign workers into the United States, Schumer said, and avoids adding to the federal deficit"
source: Senate approves $600 million in emergency border security funds - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/05/senate.border.funding/)
This bill will not affect any of the US High tech companies nor high-skilled immigration (it has nothing to do with EB immigration).
Even big companies like Microsoft and Intel would not be affected by this bill (it is not as restrictive as the previous rule that firms that receive TARP funds could not hire H1Bs).
No need to fear that this would be the start of something bad that we have to fight this to prevent future anti-immigration bills. No such implication.
Although this bill borderlines indirect protectionism and interferes in the free-market principles, it is promoted to prevent fraud and may be to decelerate outsourcing by mostly Indian companies, given the current rate of unemployment at 9.5% and the increasing threat of widespread deflation.
To be clear, I am not in support of this bill, but it would be a sheer waste IV's resources to fight this bill. If some guys can attach these kind of bills to other legislation, may be IV should focus on passing the visa recapture and may be increasing the per-country limit from ~7% to 20% (eliminating per-country limit being the most-desirable).
Instead of fighting this bill, the least that IV could do is to focus its resources to eliminate the freaking diversity lottery program and allocate the 50K green card visa to the EB program. In this 21st century, there is no more need for diversity (which is line with the spirit of the past US Supreme Court rulings), everything is already globalized and flattened. Everything should be based on pure merit -- which is the American dream anyway.
Sri.
Here's what our Schumer said about this bill:
"The bill is funded by imposing higher fees on personnel companies who import foreign workers into the United States, Schumer said, and avoids adding to the federal deficit"
source: Senate approves $600 million in emergency border security funds - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/05/senate.border.funding/)
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justAnotherFile
03-20 08:08 PM
it is 3 years continuous period immediately preceding the I-485 application
As per the current wording
"Aliens who have earned and advanced degree in STEM and have been working in a related field in the US under a nonimmigrant visa during the 3 year period preceding their application for an immigrant visa under 203 (b)"
203 (b) refers to the I-485 I believe?
As per the current wording
"Aliens who have earned and advanced degree in STEM and have been working in a related field in the US under a nonimmigrant visa during the 3 year period preceding their application for an immigrant visa under 203 (b)"
203 (b) refers to the I-485 I believe?
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iwantgc
12-03 06:50 PM
I've read a lot of articles about anti-immigrants people are also working on discouraging congress from passing any bill that benefits us. See below...
*****
November 10, 2006
Programmers Guild fears lame duck Congress will pass the Skil Bill
Filed under: None
Programmers Guild president Kim Berry sent out an alert to his minions today asking them to contact their elected representatives not to vote for the Skil [Securing Knowledge, Innovation and Leadership], Senate Bill 2691 and its counterpart in the House H.R. 5744, sponsored by Republican John Cornyn in the Senate and Rep. John Shadegg [R-AZ] in the House.
"The Cornyn-Shadegg SKIL Bill is a Trojan horse with a risk of being attached to an unopposable omnibus appropriations bill in the
lame duck session" of Congress, Berry said in his alert.
The bill would raise the cap on H-1B visas from 65,000 to 115,000 annually and would create a more flexible system that adjusts to so-called market demand. It also exempts foreign nationals who have earned a Master's or higher degree in an accredited U.S. university from the H-1B visa cap.
Opponents of the bill say that both Democrats and Republicans will more than likely pass the bill as they seek the support of companies who seek to increase the overall labor pool of skilled workers.
While both the House and Senate bills are sponsored by Republicans, Berry said that most Democrats have supported H-1B in the past, and one can only assume they will again.
"I'm not aware of any Democrat who ran for the House that opposes Bill 5744," said Berry.
Norman Matloff, a professor of computer science at the University of California at Davis called the bill an "unwarranted expansion of both the H-1B and employment-based green card programs."
Matloff refutes the claims of a high tech labor shortage.
"The impact of this bill on U.S. citizens and permanent residents in the tech field will be quite harmful," Matloff said, claiming salaries adjusted for inflation have been flat in high tech since 1999.
Berry proposes increasing the H-1B visa fee to $5,000 per year to subsidize the education of U.S. engineering students.
*****
November 10, 2006
Programmers Guild fears lame duck Congress will pass the Skil Bill
Filed under: None
Programmers Guild president Kim Berry sent out an alert to his minions today asking them to contact their elected representatives not to vote for the Skil [Securing Knowledge, Innovation and Leadership], Senate Bill 2691 and its counterpart in the House H.R. 5744, sponsored by Republican John Cornyn in the Senate and Rep. John Shadegg [R-AZ] in the House.
"The Cornyn-Shadegg SKIL Bill is a Trojan horse with a risk of being attached to an unopposable omnibus appropriations bill in the
lame duck session" of Congress, Berry said in his alert.
The bill would raise the cap on H-1B visas from 65,000 to 115,000 annually and would create a more flexible system that adjusts to so-called market demand. It also exempts foreign nationals who have earned a Master's or higher degree in an accredited U.S. university from the H-1B visa cap.
Opponents of the bill say that both Democrats and Republicans will more than likely pass the bill as they seek the support of companies who seek to increase the overall labor pool of skilled workers.
While both the House and Senate bills are sponsored by Republicans, Berry said that most Democrats have supported H-1B in the past, and one can only assume they will again.
"I'm not aware of any Democrat who ran for the House that opposes Bill 5744," said Berry.
Norman Matloff, a professor of computer science at the University of California at Davis called the bill an "unwarranted expansion of both the H-1B and employment-based green card programs."
Matloff refutes the claims of a high tech labor shortage.
"The impact of this bill on U.S. citizens and permanent residents in the tech field will be quite harmful," Matloff said, claiming salaries adjusted for inflation have been flat in high tech since 1999.
Berry proposes increasing the H-1B visa fee to $5,000 per year to subsidize the education of U.S. engineering students.
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andymajumder
11-11 01:39 AM
Finally our AP is approved and the status is "Document production or Oath Ceremony" online. Can we travel out of the country before we get the document is in hand or do we have have the document while we leave the country ?
Can you please let me know ASAP ?
Congrats!! so looks like you did not need the letter from India. My receipt date is 10/19, so I am hoping mine would be approved soon too, what was your service center? Mine is at NSC.
Can you please let me know ASAP ?
Congrats!! so looks like you did not need the letter from India. My receipt date is 10/19, so I am hoping mine would be approved soon too, what was your service center? Mine is at NSC.
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walking_dude
11-21 09:32 PM
IV leadership wants to know how many members are willing to show up if IV was to conduct a DC Rally in the first week of March.
Keep in mind it will be a week day. Possibly Wednesday or Thursday. We are sorry, lawmakers don't work on weekends. And they are out of DC visiting constituency on Monday and Friday. So having a rally on any of these days is meaningless as our intention is to grab lawmaker attention, when they are in DC.
If you plan to participate, please indicate your preference - Rally, Lobby Day or Both. I request you to post your State of residence, so that your State chapter leaders can get in touch with you, if required.
The ball is in our court. Let us show IV we have the quorum ( at least a few thousand) and there will be a rally.
We need to show the quorum before New Year (Jan 1st, 2009). It takes at least 2 months to plan and organize a rally of this magnitude. So hurry up, we don't have much time.
This is our best chance to bring our issues to the notice of the lawmakers before the CIR.
A number of immigrant groups such as ILW and Hispanic groups are trying to get CIR 2009 up for vote by Spring of 2009
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22548
It may be the reason March was selected for the DC Rally, despite the cold weather so members have complained about. ( Note : I did not select the date).
If CIR is coming up in Spring, we need to make our case - by showing good numbers -by the end of winter ; freezing or not. If we don't do that our issue is very highly to get lost in the Border security, employer verification and Legalization/Amnesty. If we finish the public show of strength - DC Rally and the Lobby Day in March, we can be ready to send Web-faxes, make phone calls etc. in Spring to push for our bills.
During our lobby day and DC Rally efforts, we should get lawmakers to understand our issues and number of people impacted (0.5 million at the least). Once majority of the lawmakers understand that we exist in large numbers, and are facing these problems, they will be more sympathetic when we make those last minute phone calls and faxes.
If we don't do the DC Rally and Lobby day successfully, chances are lower that they may be sympathetic to us without understanding the issue and the large number of people impacted.
The clock has already started ticking. We have to act fast. If we do nothing, we will miss the boat once again. Will you help IV put Recapture and Visa increase on the upcoming CIR? If we don't, we all have wait several more years for the relief.
Here's why we should do the Rally
Either we convince the lawmakers that thousands are impacted by Retrogression by actually getting these thousands to where the lawmakers can see them ( in DC where else?). Or we wait for the next CIR which may very likely be a repeat of CIR 2007. For those you unfamiliar with the last CIR. Here was the "reform" it had for EB immigration.
a) Reduction of EB quota from 140,000 to 90,000
b) End of EB immigration within 6 years with visa decrease to 90,000
c) New Point based system where the remaining EB immigrants have to reapply paying the full fees, no exceptions ( Employer won't pay a dime as it's your personal application)
d) Point based System gave more points to an Agriculture worker who has worked in the field for 2 year than a Software Engineer/Doctor etc. with 10 years of experience.
e) Country quotas of 7% to be carried over so that Indians and Chinese would have to wait for decades eligible in the points system both at the time of applying as well as approval ( keep in mind that with increasing age your age-based points keep going down! )
Don't expect the next CIR will solve your problems automagically without you having to do anything. It may actually make the problems several times worser than it is now. That is, unless we act and make our voices heard in DC.
So what's it gonna be? Fight now or Regret Later?
This is a make or break fight for our community. Nothing can be taken as granted. We have to show our numerical strength if we wish to be noticed and taken seriously. Otherwise, Horses bill will continue to be discussed before the much neglected EB bills. If in doubt, look at the fate of HR 5882.
Will you help us put EB immigrants before the Horses? If you don't it may be cows or pigs who will be getting the relief next time instead of our community.
1) There may be negative consequences if we did a Rally?
What consequences? Similar apprehensions were raised during the 2007 DC Rally.We did that Rally. I am yet to see any negative consequences on our community. IV took sufficient precautions to see that any negative perception was not created like some member unintentionally disrepecting the American flag , that we don't fly our country flags etc. And we were successful in not creating a negative image.
IV even had some lawyers (Greg Siskind and Murthy) post their opinions that doing a Rally will not impact GC applications last time. And we are still asking this question.
Right to peaceful assembly = Rally
Right to petition the Government = Lobby Day
Both are constitutionally gauranteed rights ( Google 'Bill of Rights' and the 'First Ammendment'). These rights apply equally to citizens and non-citizens alike.
Nothing negative happened last time. Nothing will this time if we hold another rally.
2) Aren't we better off doing stuff in the "background"? B]
First of all, if you are concerned that Rally activity will impeded "background" stuff, you can rest assured it doesn't. There is no point in lobbying existing government, and new Government (and the Congress) will be taking over only after Jan 20th, 2009. A lot of Congressmen like Sen. Clinton, Rep. Rahm Emmanuel are joining the administration and will be resigning from the Congress. Right now, there is still no clarity on the "right people" to approach.
[B]And it's not just us, no one will be doing any serious background activity till Jan 20th.
Just because there may be rally doesn't mean IV will give up doing the lobbying work. There'll be "background" work involved in even doing the Rally work.
Lobbying doesn't stop at paying our lobbying firm. The letters that we write, phone calls that we make, Lobby Days that we do, and we the Rally/Media drive that we do - everything comes under Lobbying/Advocacy. Because any action taken to get Lawmaker attention to a problem we are facing is defined as Lobbying or Advocacy (more PC term).
We should approach Senators X & Y to get our bills passed?
No Senator, Representative or Leader holds a complete dominance here. Some examples President Bush wanted to pass CIR 2007, his own party members defeated it. Pres. Bush, Senate Majority Leader Sen. Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, several major leaders of both Republican and Democratic party supported the Bailout legislation. Yet, it failed the first time it was introduced. Only after they added enough sweeteners to get enough Senate and House votes, they could pass that legislation.
Meaning, every Senator, every Representative works for his/her self-interest. We cannot depend on the strategy of getting some Senator or Rep to introduce the bill. First of all, they won't introduce a bill unless we can show them there is enough support to pass it. Even if they do, we need vote from at least 60 Senators and more than 250 Reps to pass it in both the houses of Congress.
We can either do it ourselves as a community. Or we can do it in the "background" by hiring a big team of lobbyists to visit 360 lawmaker offices and make the case for us. Only glitch is we'll need a few million dollars to pay these lobbyists hourly fees and other incidental expenses. And here folks ask IV to post all bank account statements, full line-by-line expenditure report for donating just 5 dollars!
We had moderate success last few times when we had to call 5-10 members of Immigration sub-committee. Not so much calling 5-10 members of the Judiciary committee. Imagine it comes up for vote in both houses together, each one of us has to make at least 350-400 calls. Do we have such a network? ( Our State chapters) Do we have such a bandwith? ( Active members ready o go the extra mile)
Let us say we do. Each of us will get a 2 mins per office in the call just to say - 'Please ask Sen. X or Rep Y. to support HR xxxxx, or S xxxxx or Ammendment Z'. We will not get anytime then to explain our issues, our numbers ( total backlogged) and why we want them to vote we want them to.
We are hoping against hope that they will vote for our solution without even understanding our problems in the first place. They have no freaking clue that we exist in the first place. They don't now our problems. So it doesn't make much difference to them whichever way they vote as they don't understand the issue.
Meaning, we are betting our whole life on luck and chance. And then we will feel dejected, fired up etc. etc. when they give higher priority to Horses issue which they know and understand better than ours. There is a saying in Sanskrit - 'Yudhdha Kaale Shastrabhyasa' meaning starting weapons practice, after the war has already begun! It's futile just like our last minute efforts.
Do we want to bet our lives and careers on sheer luck? Or do we want to make our case clear to the lawmakers? It's the choice that our community has to make.
Can we do it?
Keep in mind it will be a week day. Possibly Wednesday or Thursday. We are sorry, lawmakers don't work on weekends. And they are out of DC visiting constituency on Monday and Friday. So having a rally on any of these days is meaningless as our intention is to grab lawmaker attention, when they are in DC.
If you plan to participate, please indicate your preference - Rally, Lobby Day or Both. I request you to post your State of residence, so that your State chapter leaders can get in touch with you, if required.
The ball is in our court. Let us show IV we have the quorum ( at least a few thousand) and there will be a rally.
We need to show the quorum before New Year (Jan 1st, 2009). It takes at least 2 months to plan and organize a rally of this magnitude. So hurry up, we don't have much time.
This is our best chance to bring our issues to the notice of the lawmakers before the CIR.
A number of immigrant groups such as ILW and Hispanic groups are trying to get CIR 2009 up for vote by Spring of 2009
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22548
It may be the reason March was selected for the DC Rally, despite the cold weather so members have complained about. ( Note : I did not select the date).
If CIR is coming up in Spring, we need to make our case - by showing good numbers -by the end of winter ; freezing or not. If we don't do that our issue is very highly to get lost in the Border security, employer verification and Legalization/Amnesty. If we finish the public show of strength - DC Rally and the Lobby Day in March, we can be ready to send Web-faxes, make phone calls etc. in Spring to push for our bills.
During our lobby day and DC Rally efforts, we should get lawmakers to understand our issues and number of people impacted (0.5 million at the least). Once majority of the lawmakers understand that we exist in large numbers, and are facing these problems, they will be more sympathetic when we make those last minute phone calls and faxes.
If we don't do the DC Rally and Lobby day successfully, chances are lower that they may be sympathetic to us without understanding the issue and the large number of people impacted.
The clock has already started ticking. We have to act fast. If we do nothing, we will miss the boat once again. Will you help IV put Recapture and Visa increase on the upcoming CIR? If we don't, we all have wait several more years for the relief.
Here's why we should do the Rally
Either we convince the lawmakers that thousands are impacted by Retrogression by actually getting these thousands to where the lawmakers can see them ( in DC where else?). Or we wait for the next CIR which may very likely be a repeat of CIR 2007. For those you unfamiliar with the last CIR. Here was the "reform" it had for EB immigration.
a) Reduction of EB quota from 140,000 to 90,000
b) End of EB immigration within 6 years with visa decrease to 90,000
c) New Point based system where the remaining EB immigrants have to reapply paying the full fees, no exceptions ( Employer won't pay a dime as it's your personal application)
d) Point based System gave more points to an Agriculture worker who has worked in the field for 2 year than a Software Engineer/Doctor etc. with 10 years of experience.
e) Country quotas of 7% to be carried over so that Indians and Chinese would have to wait for decades eligible in the points system both at the time of applying as well as approval ( keep in mind that with increasing age your age-based points keep going down! )
Don't expect the next CIR will solve your problems automagically without you having to do anything. It may actually make the problems several times worser than it is now. That is, unless we act and make our voices heard in DC.
So what's it gonna be? Fight now or Regret Later?
This is a make or break fight for our community. Nothing can be taken as granted. We have to show our numerical strength if we wish to be noticed and taken seriously. Otherwise, Horses bill will continue to be discussed before the much neglected EB bills. If in doubt, look at the fate of HR 5882.
Will you help us put EB immigrants before the Horses? If you don't it may be cows or pigs who will be getting the relief next time instead of our community.
1) There may be negative consequences if we did a Rally?
What consequences? Similar apprehensions were raised during the 2007 DC Rally.We did that Rally. I am yet to see any negative consequences on our community. IV took sufficient precautions to see that any negative perception was not created like some member unintentionally disrepecting the American flag , that we don't fly our country flags etc. And we were successful in not creating a negative image.
IV even had some lawyers (Greg Siskind and Murthy) post their opinions that doing a Rally will not impact GC applications last time. And we are still asking this question.
Right to peaceful assembly = Rally
Right to petition the Government = Lobby Day
Both are constitutionally gauranteed rights ( Google 'Bill of Rights' and the 'First Ammendment'). These rights apply equally to citizens and non-citizens alike.
Nothing negative happened last time. Nothing will this time if we hold another rally.
2) Aren't we better off doing stuff in the "background"? B]
First of all, if you are concerned that Rally activity will impeded "background" stuff, you can rest assured it doesn't. There is no point in lobbying existing government, and new Government (and the Congress) will be taking over only after Jan 20th, 2009. A lot of Congressmen like Sen. Clinton, Rep. Rahm Emmanuel are joining the administration and will be resigning from the Congress. Right now, there is still no clarity on the "right people" to approach.
[B]And it's not just us, no one will be doing any serious background activity till Jan 20th.
Just because there may be rally doesn't mean IV will give up doing the lobbying work. There'll be "background" work involved in even doing the Rally work.
Lobbying doesn't stop at paying our lobbying firm. The letters that we write, phone calls that we make, Lobby Days that we do, and we the Rally/Media drive that we do - everything comes under Lobbying/Advocacy. Because any action taken to get Lawmaker attention to a problem we are facing is defined as Lobbying or Advocacy (more PC term).
We should approach Senators X & Y to get our bills passed?
No Senator, Representative or Leader holds a complete dominance here. Some examples President Bush wanted to pass CIR 2007, his own party members defeated it. Pres. Bush, Senate Majority Leader Sen. Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, several major leaders of both Republican and Democratic party supported the Bailout legislation. Yet, it failed the first time it was introduced. Only after they added enough sweeteners to get enough Senate and House votes, they could pass that legislation.
Meaning, every Senator, every Representative works for his/her self-interest. We cannot depend on the strategy of getting some Senator or Rep to introduce the bill. First of all, they won't introduce a bill unless we can show them there is enough support to pass it. Even if they do, we need vote from at least 60 Senators and more than 250 Reps to pass it in both the houses of Congress.
We can either do it ourselves as a community. Or we can do it in the "background" by hiring a big team of lobbyists to visit 360 lawmaker offices and make the case for us. Only glitch is we'll need a few million dollars to pay these lobbyists hourly fees and other incidental expenses. And here folks ask IV to post all bank account statements, full line-by-line expenditure report for donating just 5 dollars!
We had moderate success last few times when we had to call 5-10 members of Immigration sub-committee. Not so much calling 5-10 members of the Judiciary committee. Imagine it comes up for vote in both houses together, each one of us has to make at least 350-400 calls. Do we have such a network? ( Our State chapters) Do we have such a bandwith? ( Active members ready o go the extra mile)
Let us say we do. Each of us will get a 2 mins per office in the call just to say - 'Please ask Sen. X or Rep Y. to support HR xxxxx, or S xxxxx or Ammendment Z'. We will not get anytime then to explain our issues, our numbers ( total backlogged) and why we want them to vote we want them to.
We are hoping against hope that they will vote for our solution without even understanding our problems in the first place. They have no freaking clue that we exist in the first place. They don't now our problems. So it doesn't make much difference to them whichever way they vote as they don't understand the issue.
Meaning, we are betting our whole life on luck and chance. And then we will feel dejected, fired up etc. etc. when they give higher priority to Horses issue which they know and understand better than ours. There is a saying in Sanskrit - 'Yudhdha Kaale Shastrabhyasa' meaning starting weapons practice, after the war has already begun! It's futile just like our last minute efforts.
Do we want to bet our lives and careers on sheer luck? Or do we want to make our case clear to the lawmakers? It's the choice that our community has to make.
Can we do it?
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andy garcia
06-13 09:51 PM
Congrats to everyone in the forum!!
IS there is disadvantage of filing 485 while my i140 is still pending in TSC. Fellow members advised me that I can file for 485 for me and my spouse with an i140 receipt and that its ok if the 140 is pending. Can someone advice on this issue.
Thanks
Employment-Based Applications
If you are filing for lawful permanent resident status based on an offer of permanent employment in the United States, you should submit your I-485 to:
USCIS Nebraska Service Center
P.O. Box 87485
Lincoln, NE 68501-7485
This includes an EB I-485 if you are filing a Form I-140, Petition for Alien Worker, concurrently with your I-485, or an I-485 filing based on a pending or an approved Form I-140.
IS there is disadvantage of filing 485 while my i140 is still pending in TSC. Fellow members advised me that I can file for 485 for me and my spouse with an i140 receipt and that its ok if the 140 is pending. Can someone advice on this issue.
Thanks
Employment-Based Applications
If you are filing for lawful permanent resident status based on an offer of permanent employment in the United States, you should submit your I-485 to:
USCIS Nebraska Service Center
P.O. Box 87485
Lincoln, NE 68501-7485
This includes an EB I-485 if you are filing a Form I-140, Petition for Alien Worker, concurrently with your I-485, or an I-485 filing based on a pending or an approved Form I-140.
bigboy007
09-25 08:47 PM
arnt they intelligent they tied this with recapture isnt ? Huh what a trick ? correct me if i am wrong
SA 2238. Mr. DURBIN (for himself and Mr. Grassley) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 2143 submitted by Mr. Cornyn and intended to be proposed to the bill H.R. 1585, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
blah, blah, .......
SA 2238. Mr. DURBIN (for himself and Mr. Grassley) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 2143 submitted by Mr. Cornyn and intended to be proposed to the bill H.R. 1585, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
blah, blah, .......
gccovet
07-14 09:20 AM
This FBAR is really sick...
I need to pay taxes on the income that I earned in India to US? Silly
Hell, they won't consider
1. My Parents as my dependents
2. I made 3 lakhs donations in India those amounts are not tax exempt here
3. My LIC premiums are not tax deductible here...
But I need to pay tax on my Indian income ....
These people are real robbers ....:mad:
DAMN
Per my desi CPA, If you have a NRI/NRE account and you are not filing any income tax in India ( you have to file a NIL statement in INDIA even if the amount earned is not in any tax brackets) then you should include it in IRS tax returns. I have always declared all my NRI account, Bank names and interest earned since last 10 years.
gccovet
I need to pay taxes on the income that I earned in India to US? Silly
Hell, they won't consider
1. My Parents as my dependents
2. I made 3 lakhs donations in India those amounts are not tax exempt here
3. My LIC premiums are not tax deductible here...
But I need to pay tax on my Indian income ....
These people are real robbers ....:mad:
DAMN
Per my desi CPA, If you have a NRI/NRE account and you are not filing any income tax in India ( you have to file a NIL statement in INDIA even if the amount earned is not in any tax brackets) then you should include it in IRS tax returns. I have always declared all my NRI account, Bank names and interest earned since last 10 years.
gccovet
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